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March 27, 2009

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That is the same take on the legality issue that I have made and determine it to be right.

IF and UNTIL Obama proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is eligible to be President of this Country, WHICH HE CAN'T, because he IS NOT ELIGIBLE, according to his own words or those that he authorized to be put up on fightthesmears.com stating he is the son of a Kenyan who was under the British Nationality Act of 1948 and thus a dual citizen at Birth, he states in his own site, in oblique words and inuendos, that I DO NOT HAVE TO OBEY HIS ORDERS OR LAWS OR RULES that he imposes on any of us through his edicts from Congress or Bills that he has authorized.

I agree with Claudia completely. He's NOT an American-born U.S. citizen and he's damn sure NOT MY PRESIDENT!!!

Today at 4:15 PM a Citizen Grand Jury in Stockbridge, Georgia had a seated 25 member jury come down with a unanimous Indictment against Obama. Now it goes toward a Presentment and IF he can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a Natural Born Citizen, then the Supremes have to make a decision about his eligibility, but they can only make one based on law as it stands today, not what Obama would change the laws of the Constitution to be should he have the chance to do it.

Here is what was written today on PlainsRadio.com about this, some of the comments that are by other people haave been taken out because they might not want to be included in this posting, but the main ones are by me. Just thought that you would all like to know what is happening. It is a long but very worthwhile read, and will help you all understand exactly how this can get the problem taken care of.....

[History in the Making

UPDATE: At approx. 4:15 p.m. March 28th in the city of Stockbridge Ga. the people of Georgia returned an Indictment against Barack Hussein Obama!!!!!!
25 Jurists, duly sworn in, heard tesitmony and in a unanimous vote,
Indicted the usurper
http://riseupforamerica.com/


The first Common Law, Citizens Grand Jury will convene today, March 28, 2009, at 1:00pm EST at 165 Burke St Stockbridge, Ga]


WAY TO GO GEORGIA!!!! Now we all need to get the same in our states, the next state up is Texas. We have to stand together on this and all have the courage to do what is right and necessary.
State: NV (my initial post)

Mar 28th, 2009 - 5:10 PM Re: INDICTMEMT

Don't know what the Indictment is considering, but I am almost sure that they most likely used both of his names. The next step is that the Presentments that were asked for have to be produced and then, if he comes up with his certificate showing or NOT showing - that he was born in the USA of TWO Citizens that were either natural or naturalized before his birth, then the Supreme Court rules on that finding.

IF he shows without a doubt that he is a Natural Born Citizen, with those TWO parent(s) who are also natural born or naturalized, then most likely the Supreme Court will rule in his favor and he continues to be President, but then we can get him for several other things like TREASON and Unabridged assault on the tearing up of our Constitution and other things that we can hold him responsible for. AS well as the rest of his Congress and Cabinet members.

IF it shows that he is NOT eligible to serve as POTUS and the SUpreme Court rules on that status, then most likely the DC ATTORNEY will have to act to REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE and Null and Void everything he has done, and remove all his cabinet and posts and laws and Bills that he has signed,and until a new election can be held, Biden would be President for a short time, but UNABLE TO do anything in/to the detriment of the Country. And as soon as a new election would be held, then we the PEOPLE can vote in completely NEW people.

NOW IS THE TIME WE ALL HAVE TO STEP UP AND DEMAND THAT THE RULES AND LAWS BE FOLLOWED!!!!
State: NV

Mar 28th, 2009 - 5:32 PM Re: INDICTMEMT

As far as I know, there is a CITIZENS GRAND JURY ability in the Constitution, and it is LEGAL, and it is called by correct standards and requirements. I myself, signed up to be on one here in Nevada, there are rules that have to be followed and I am sure that the people who put this one in Georgia followed those rules and made sure that they were all good as far as legality.

No one stated anything about he Magna Carta in anything having to do with the Citizen Grand Jury or the Indictment that was handed down.

This whole process has to be followed precisely to be given the rights and demands that have to be made to be followed. It is legal, and it is a right of the People to hold a Grand Jury on their own, as that little portion of the Constitution states, we are the "fourth arm of the Judicial system" BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE.

Now we wait and see what happens as to how Obama reacts to the filing for Presentments and IF he follows through or fails to act towards the requests, and thereby admits to his ineligibility.

Then the Supreme's have to act, is what my understanding is....
State: NV


Ed Hale (owner of PlainsRadio)

Mar 28th, 2009 - 5:41 PM Re: INDICTMEMT

Caren and Michelle will have Carl Swenson, who is the grandjury foreman who indicted Obama, on thier show Monday night at 6 pm. He will tell us how he did it, what will happen next and what the results will be. You don't want to miss this show. This is what we have been waiting for!!!! This is the show that everyone will be glued to their radios. See you Monday night at 6 pm central. Join the gals for the best in talk radio.
State: Texas


Mar 28th, 2009 - 5:42 PM Re: INDICTMEMT

THIS IS A CITIZENS GRAND JURY and carries the FULL WEIGHT of any Court in the Country, and has the full rights and Indictment processes that any court has. It has to be followed and a judgment has to be given as this was done legally and in total compliance WITH OUR CONSTITUTION and LAWS. There has been a lot of work put in to get this far and there is still a lot of work being done, and it is ALL LEGAL and BY LAW.
State: NV


posted by unidentified person:
Mar 28th, 2009 - 5:51 PM Re: INDICTMEMT

Seriously, how does this work? What court would have to proceed with an indictment brought by a Citizen's Grand Jury? I could be indicted by 25 people, unknown to me and on their own, for a criminal offense and then law enforcement would have to arrest me and take me to jail or court? This just sounds very strange. If it can be done to Potus it could be done to any of us, couldn't it? Why would law enforcement have to act on a grand jury indictment not brought by an established court of law? I'm not against doing this to Obama, just wondering how it will go anywhere.
State: PA

The South (posted by a knowledgable poster)

Mar 28th, 2009 - 6:08 PM Re: INDICTMEMT

Does anyone know if Orly or Pidgeon were involved in this Grand Jury indictment?
State: OK


Ed Hale (owner)

Mar 28th, 2009 - 6:28 PM Re: INDICTMEMT

if you go to thier web site, you will see the laws that they followed. This is legal and is the right thing to do. Orly or Steve was not in on this. I am tired of these dam OBOTs putting words into my mouth. I never said this is the one that will take O down. That stupid blogtalk radio supporter need to leave here and never come back. I said and I will repete it, this is a show you do not want to miss.
State: Texas


Mar 28th, 2009 - 6:35 PM Re: INDICTMEMT

This is long, but it will enlighten you all about the process and legality of a grand jury such as the one that just happened in Georgia.

Common Law Grand Jury

Rules

APPLICABLE LAW
The government must accept the Magna Carta as common law if pleaded as such.Source: Confirmatio Cartarum, Article 1www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/cartarum.htmBasic requirements and procedures for a common law grand jury:Source: Magna Carta, Articles 52 & 61www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/magna.htm#52www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/magna.htm#61

HOW CONSTITUTED
Grand jury members must be elected by the people (not citizens) of the jurisdiction in which they are operating. There are no rules defining a procedure for how they are elected. The people, without the influence of government, decide for themselves how the grand jury members are elected. There must be 25 members.

QUALIFICATIONS
The members must be "people" of the jurisdiction and not "citizens" of the jurisdiction. For example, they must be "People of the United States," or "People of California," or "People of the State of California"; not "citizen of the United States," nor "citizen of California," nor "citizen of the State of California."www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/pvc.htmhttp://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/sovreign.htmEach member must be sworn in and promise to observe all of these rules and, so far as within his power, cause all the rules to be observed.

QUORUM
When the grand jury meets, if any are absent after being summoned, then those present constitute a quorum. All decisions of grand jury are decided by majority vote of members present. If any member dies or leaves the country, or in any other way is prevented from carrying out the grand jury's decisions, the remaining grand jurors shall choose another to fill his place and he shall likewise be sworn in.

FINALITY OF DECISIONS
No decision of a grand jury is reviewable in any court of the government.

JURISDICTION
Any government transgression against anyone in any respect.Any government breaking of articles of peace or security. Any dispute regarding anyone who has been disseized or removed, by the government without a legal sentence of his peers, from his lands, castles, liberties or lawful right.

PROCEDURE I
Dispute Settlement
If the grand jury is informed of any dispute regarding anyone who has been disseized or removed (by the government without a legal sentence of his peers) from his lands, castles, liberties or lawful right, then the dispute shall be settled by the grand jury.

PROCEDURE II
Enforcement
Four of the members must be shown that because of the government,
A. A transgression has occurred against any one in any respect, or B. Some one of the articles of peace or security has been broken. The four members must show to the government the government's error. The four members must ask the government to amend that error without delay. If the government does not amend the error within 40 days after being shown the error, then the four members shall refer the matter to the remainder of the grand jury. The grand jury may distrain and oppress the government in every way in their power, namely, by taking the homes, lands, possessions, and any way else they can until amends shall have been made according to the sole judgment of the grand jury.

LIMITATION OF POWERS
The grand jury may not imprison or execute any government personnel or their children.

PUBLIC SUPPORT
Anyone (people or citizen) who chooses to help enforce the grand jury decision must first swear that he will obey the mandates of the grand jury, and that with them to the extent of his power he will impose the grand jury's decisions upon the government. The authority to support the grand jury is pre-authorized by the government. If anyone refuses to support a grand jury decision, the government will force him to swear his support of the grand jury.

LIMITATIONS ON GOVERNMENT
The government is prohibited from doing anything to diminish the effect of the grand jury. If the government does prohibit or diminish the effectiveness of the grand jury, it shall be vain and invalid and may not be used in any later proceeding by the government or anyone else.

TERMINATION OF ENFORCEMENT
When all issues are settled to the satisfaction of the grand jury, things shall return to normal as they were before. No grudges.


Reactivating the Common Law Grand Jury

A Brief Strategy Suggestion

BACKGROUND
When the colonies separated from England, King John retaliated by revoking the charters. Technically, the colonies were without any legal authority to operate. However, civics (the branch of political philosophy concerned with individual rights) was generally taught and known by the people who asserted their rights and maintained order by applying the common law. The people united in the form of common law grand juries and continued the functioning of government. As the legislatures matured they slowly increased governmental power while simultaneously reducing personal sovereign power. This was done through a combination of passing pro-government legislation and reducing or eliminating education about civics. Today, two and a quarter centuries later, hardly anyone even knows the meaning of the word, "civics." Despite the fact that the state and federal constitutions still acknowledge the common law as the ultimate law system, people everywhere are conditioned to believe that the statutory law and codes are the only source of law. The only remaining common law term generally known among the public is "common law marriage." The common law grand jury is now dormant only because of the public ignorance of its powers that supercede all other government entities, including the modern statutorily defined grand jury. Awakening the grand jury will not be graciously accepted by the government. A strategy is needed to reintroduce this fundamental protection against tyranny and injustice.

STEP 1 - ESTABLISH LEGITIMACY
The first step is to get public acceptance. Every dictator in history understood the power of the people and cultivated their support either through enticements or threats. Reactivating the grand jury concept will go through four traditional stages: denial, ridicule, violent opposition, then self-evident acceptance. Theoretically, the grand jury can meet anywhere, anytime. But that is hardly good image. One way to get public acceptance and minimize denial, ridicule, and violent opposition, is to hold the grand jury sessions in the public court house. The foreman could apply to a court administrator for use of one of the rooms in the public courthouse. If it is refused, then the court administrator should, under common law procedures, be sued for his dereliction of duty.

STEP 2 - GAIN PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE
The second step is to start small. The grand jury could take on issues which anyone can easily see should be prosecuted. As public acceptance increases, the grand jury can enlarge its field of inquiry. The grand jury should have a strong public relations program for this step.

STEP 3 - TAKE ON LARGER PROJECTS
The third step is to take on grander objectives. If the first two steps are well executed, then this step will be the easiest. With both legitimacy and acceptance established the grand jury can make itself felt.
State: NV


Brother J (knowledgable poster)

Mar 28th, 2009 - 7:03 PM Re: INDICTMEMT

It is not a lynch mob as mentioned by an Obama paid supporter earlier. Tyranny and lynching belongs to the party of the KKK, the corrupted party, the Democrats, because they think being liberal means being liberal with breaking of laws. The Republic stands for proper rights and freedoms guaranteed through Constitutional Law, not tyrannical laws set up by an arbratrary government concerned with a totalitarian agenda under guise of helping people.

A grand jury examines the facts and follows proper rules as set out by Constitutional law (emphasis). It then goes to the Supreme Court. The grand jury was set up at the formation of the Constitution to ensure the government is not hijacked implicitly, to use the term here correctly now, by mob rule where the checks and balances are trampled on by aggressive and ruthless political party members.

Even Democrats are disappointed with the illegal practices used in the Democratic primaries where the elderly were threatened in voter settings. The video below shows what a lynching is, the attack on voters' rights to vote for their candidate free of thuggery.

http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm

Be very certain of this, Obama supporters, in the lies and crimes you commit to aid and abet this imposter to the Oval Office, you are fast forwarding your own ruin. This is no longer a right wing issue. These grand juries and the tea parties are made up of Democrats, Republicans, and third parties, in the joint effort to oust a treacherous administration who giggles and laughs at the predicament of the middle class. Obama does not stand for America.


Claudia

Mar 28th, 2009 - 7:14 PM Re: INDICTMEMT

The Magna Carta was used as the basis for all laws of the time in the forming of many of our current laws and documents. That is all that was shown at the top of my posting, the relationship of the laws of the Magna Carta and how they influenced our current laws and jurisdictions thereof. Get a clue, ........ if you can't figure that all out, then perhaps you had best go back to High School and attend a Civics class.

DID you happen to read all the way through the whole posting or did you quit when it became relevant to the topic of the reality of the Grand Jury in this particular case?

I would assume that you conveniently forgot to read the rest of the breakdown about the Grand Jury and its applications.
State: NV


The South

Mar 28th, 2009 - 7:19 PM Re: INDICTMEMT

To the Nay-Sayers,

I know it's hard to wrap your head around what's actually happening here with the Grand Jury.

We've been conditioned to believe the only laws that exist, or can be enforced, are the ones we see made and exercised by "public officials" or "courts", or someone in which we've come to trust.

So when you see that citizens have actually gotten together and formed a Federal Grand Jury, it's hard to believe that anything will come of it.

Just because a Supreme court Justice himself didn't initiate the Grand Jury, does NOT mean it's not legal and had been properly initiated.

I wonder if all those Brits sit around and laughed at those guys who wrote up the Constitution and the Bill of Rights too?

God Bless America
State: OK]

SO, ,now we wait until the Ordered Presentments come through and Obama either proves or ignores and then see what the consequences will be and when they will be handed down. This is all lthanks to Leo Donofrio and his web site, (he gave many of us the information and the courage to step up to the plate and try to do this) although I personally didn't have uch to do with that much, I have posted and volunteered to be on or in charge of a Grand Jury in Nevada, should we be able to get one going here. I would like to see some of you get involved in this also. DefendOurFreedom.com (I think that is the link, but not totally sure -do a google on the grand jury in Stockbridge, Ga 3-28-09)is deeply involved and the ones who got this first Grand Jury together today. Volunteer to be a juror in your state, if needed, try to help out in other ways, if needed and if you can, get involved and lend a hand however possible.


Claudia,

From: The North

Still [claiming] this is based on the Magna Carta? Which has historical value as a attempt to manage relation between the King and other royal subjects (i.e Barons). It has nothing to do with our Constitution. I will bet my college degree against your GED or HS diploma any day that this goes nowhere all it does is show [insult deleted].

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From DR -- Dear 'The North'.

I accept your challenge.

The Constitution is predicated to a large extent on the Magna Carta. This history is well known to Constitutional experts. For example:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/amdt5b_user.html

Please send the details of your degree to me as a comment. This should include enough information for me to contact the institution which granted the degree to arrange for them to cancel it.

Pro Patria

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