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September 19, 2008

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(The comment thread is a river of hate)

...and you accuse ME of hatred towards Sarah Palin. I merely don't think she's qualified. I don't even get near the venom that they have in the comments over there on ABC. That is a River of Hate. A very long one.


Qualified for what Andrew???

Me wonders if there is a bit of sexism tainting your opinion as she is clearly the only one posessing any executive leadership experience out of the 4, and yet you continue to criticize her. Compared to what is being offered, there is a complete lack of any leadership experience eminating from the left while the McCain/Palin ticket offers a clear understanding of 'Chain of Command' (McCain), Foriegn policy (McCain), Energy (Palin), economy(Palin/McCain) and Domestic reform (McCain/Palin), and most of all character ( clearly Both). I can truthfully guarantee there will never be a 'perfect candidate', but as far as I'm concerned, these two are better than most.

Gawfer,

No sexism from me. My wife wouldn't allow it.

You want to know who I would have liked to see as a woman on the Republican ticket? Olympia Snowe. Now there is a woman with experience! McCain/Snowe? Now there's a ticket I could get excited about.

I think McCain is qualified, I think Biden is qualified. I think Obama is green, but not as green as Palin.

Palin? The executive experience thing just doesn't wash with me. (Bush had executive experience, and look where that's gotten us.)

8 years as Mayor of Wasilla. That's respectable, but at the same time I have attended colleges that were bigger than Wasilla, I have seen apartment complexes that were bigger than Wasilla. I just don't think that's enough experience.

20 months as Governor of Alaska. She has started to make some progress on reform, and so far has a good approval rating. If she had been Governor of Alaska for a full term, I'd be willing to say she is experienced. However, 20 months isn't quite enough, and she's also gotten herself embroiled in Troopergate, and has shown indications of being stubbornly headstrong (and we are just not getting rid of one stubbornly headstrong person in the White House.)

I think she is lacking in two critical areas. (1) National Experience and Exposure, and (2) International Experience and Exposure. She's fairly isolated up there in Alaska, Alaska has a fairly small population (47th?) and not near the amount of cultural diversity as the rest of the United States (though it does have a fairly significant Native-American/Eskimo population). (2) International Experience. She has none.

She is, also, too far to the right for my liking. I think she is a divisive presence for the majority of Americans, and that's just not what our country needs right now.

Last, and perhaps most importantly, I not only have to consider her to inexperienced for the VP position, given McCains age, I have to consider her too inexperienced for the position of President.

Olympia Snowe. She gets my vote for a Republican Woman of Experience who I would like to see in Office.

As for the Democrats, I don't really know. Maybe they would have been better off with Hillary, but I can't stand the thought of Bill hanging around the White House again. Biden has been an interesting speaker, and he certainly has political experience. I would have preferred if there was some military experience in the Democratic ticket though. I think we did a disservice to America with the false swiftboating attacks on John Kerry. I thought a bi-partisan Kerry/Hagel or Hagel/Kerry ticket at one point would have been just the sort of thing America needed.

"...Palin? The executive experience thing just doesn't wash with me. (Bush had executive experience, and look where that's gotten us.)..."

Andrew,
She's not running for President- yet.

"...and she's also gotten herself embroiled in Troopergate, and has shown indications of being stubbornly headstrong (and we are just not getting rid of one stubbornly headstrong person in the White House.)..."

1st, don’t believe rumors and innuendos; believe facts (which in this case have yet to be released in spite of what the media and blogosphere have opined).
2nd, I am much more likely to hold respect for someone who is willing to make a decision and stick to it over someone who is 'wishy-washy' and is moved by the wind of popularity. I appreciated President Bush’s love for this country and willingness to defend her, and the tenacity to work through the difficult times as opposed to throwing in the towel when things got difficult. We saw what happened to this country when a quit holds the office of CiC. Look back no further than Carter and the Iran hostage crisis and the subsequent world we now live in. I want someone in office who can make a decision without delay and see it to the end.

“... (2) International Experience. She has none..."

Wrong. As Governor of Alaska, she is constantly involved in international trade; specifically the exportation of food (fish) and energy (Oil) with the Pacific Rim Countries that include Japan, China, both Koreas, Philippines, etc. She interfaces with both businessmen and dignitaries alike, although she has NOT met any heads of state-yet.

"...She is, also, too far to the right for my liking. I think she is a divisive presence for the majority of Americans, and that's just not what our country needs right now..."

I believe this is the essence of your entire argument. I completely understand and respect your opinion. Whether I agree or disagree with it matters not, because it is your opinion to which you have full right, and I'll honor that. ‘nuff said.

"...I think she is a divisive presence for the majority of Americans, and that's just not what our country needs right now..."

What I find extraordinary is since the announcement of Sarah Palin; the conservative talk radio host Hugh Hewitt has restricted all calls during his nationally syndicated 3 hour show to first time female callers only, and will continue to do so until there are no more. For three weeks now, (excluding yesterday when a substitute host was in), all lines have been continually full with nary a negative comment coming from any of the ladies who had called. The Support for Palin across the nation has been unbelievable and the RNC has been inundated with unexpected volunteers. Political contributions have spiked and the McCain/Palin ticket, as represented by all of DRs Posts regarding popularity is nearly off the scale. I received an email two weeks ago from the Clinton Democrats encouraging their constituents to support Palin for the personal accomplishments she has achieved on her own. In part, they wrote:

“…The opportunity for a competent woman with executive experience to be nominated for the vice-presidency is something we should all be proud of. Yes, she may have different ideologies than liberal Democrats. But she will not create legislation. That is the job of the U.S. Congress, and after nearly eight years of trough-slopping on the hill, it is time for them quit finger-pointing and get to work…”
“…When Hillary gave her historic speech at the U.N. Conference on Women in Beijing and said “women’s rights are human rights”, she wasn’t just talking about liberal women…”

Sarah hasn't been divisive; she has given disenfranchised conservatives great encouragement and has inspired many to become active. Of course she has offended liberals who see her as the antithesis to their immoral/amoral lifestyles, and moderates who struggle to maintain balance on 'the fence'. But for the most part, she's giving this party a long needed cohesiveness.

"...Palin? The executive experience thing just doesn't wash with me. (Bush had executive experience, and look where that's gotten us.)..."

Andrew,
She's not running for President- yet.

Well understood, but given McCain's age, she will be a little too close to the Presidency for my liking. As I said, I would feel a bit better about her if she had completed her first term in office as Governor of Alaska.

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“... (2) International Experience. She has none..."

Wrong. As Governor of Alaska, she is constantly involved in international trade; specifically the exportation of food (fish) and energy (Oil) with the Pacific Rim Countries that include Japan, China, both Koreas, Philippines, etc. She interfaces with both businessmen and dignitaries alike, although she has NOT met any heads of state-yet.

I think meeting a few trade delegations doesn't compensate for the fact that she just made her first trip abroad last year. Since trade with foreign countries is regulated at a Federal level, I'm not sure if her meetings with Trade delegations amounted to anything more than courtesy calls as they went on to do deal directly with the suppliers of the commodities they were interested in. I really can't be sure though, as we don't have enough information about it. I would like to see a list of the delegations she's met with and what the results of those meetings were. It might ease my fears on her lack of International Experience. Right now I feel our leaders need to have a good understanding of the Middle East, Europe (generally speaking, our ally), and of course China.

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Sarah hasn't been divisive; she has given disenfranchised conservatives great encouragement and has inspired many to become active. Of course she has offended liberals who see her as the antithesis to their immoral/amoral lifestyles, and moderates who struggle to maintain balance on 'the fence'. But for the most part, she's giving this party a long needed cohesiveness.

I will agree with you that Palin has energized the right and brought real enthusiasm to that part of the party. But she still is a polarizing figure for the country as a whole. Her appearance has pushed those who were on the left, farther to the left, just as it has energized those who are on the right to move further to the right. The continued polarization of our country as a whole.

In general, the moderate wing of our party (which I am a part of) do not like her. I recently posted columns by George Will, David Brooks, and Steve Chapman (all Republicans) disparaging the choice of Palin.

I'm less concerned about the unity of our party then I am concerned about the unity of our country. I do not view "liberals" as the enemy, nor do I view "conservatives" as the anointed party.

Andrew,

You said you posted columns...
Where?

Do you have a website? I would be interested in reading and corrosponding as well.

Gawfer,

I don't have a website. I have a small blog for my extended family, and I participate in a technical forum on Linux that a colleague of mine runs, but I decided not to put up a political blog as I enjoy reading others too much, and it would just take up too much time. I might reconsider it though. I used to follow Central Sanity quite a bit, and then launch into other blogs from their blog roll. (Which is how I found Gina's site here.) Central Sanity is no longer really active though.

I will mosey on over to your website later this evening, and leave a comment with my e-mail address so you can get in touch. Would look forward to hearing from you.

As for the columns, I don't remember which blog post of Gina's I originally posted them on, and at the time I didn't know that Gina's comments section would take limited HTML, so here they are again, easily hyperlinked:

A George Will column entitled: "Impulse, Meet Experience."

David Brooks : "Why Experience Matters"

Steve Chapman: "How Palin suberts McCain's Message"


Gawfer,

I don't have a website. I have a small blog for my extended family, and I participate in a technical forum on Linux that a colleague of mine runs, but I decided not to put up a political blog as I enjoy reading others too much, and it would just take up too much time. I might reconsider it though. I used to follow Central Sanity quite a bit, and then launch into other blogs from their blog roll. (Which is how I found Gina's site here.) Central Sanity is no longer really active though.

I will mosey on over to your website later this evening, and leave a comment with my e-mail address so you can get in touch. Would look forward to hearing from you.

As for the columns, I don't remember which blog post of Gina's I originally posted them on, and at the time I didn't know that Gina's comments section would take limited HTML, so here they are again, easily hyperlinked (I am trying this again, before I hyperlinked to each author's column list as well, and that created too many hyper links, and triggered the spam filter):

George Will:
"Impulse, Meet Experience."

David Brooks:
"Why Experience Matters"

Steve Chapman:
"How Palin suberts McCain's Message"

Steve Chapman may actually be slightly to the left now, though I remember him being a moderate Republican when he used to contribute to The National Review.

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