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July 21, 2008

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John McCain is on the right side of history and common sense when it comes to Iraq. The New York Times is not, and that is why it is trying to sweep McCain's opinion piece under the rug.

Gina Cobb

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You are too much Gina, just too much. Keep up the comedy girl; you ought to be better at it than you are at political issues.

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OK,
Who slipped Fred the placebo? Don't you know he needs the real thing?

The Times should have published McCain's op-ed, if only because exposing the (reading) public to John McCain's dubious logic and his unoriginal, "stay the course", surge-centric rhetoric would only further their left-wing agenda.

Speaking of the liberal media, how many more hours of air time did Jeremiah Wright's unsavory comments get than those of Phil Graham? And which man was specifically representing the views of a candidate when he made his faux pas?

The only reason McCain has any chance at all in this race is that the media shields him from owning up.

"...John McCain's dubious logic and his unoriginal, "stay the course", surge-centric rhetoric..."

There are some people who exist in a world of defeat and despise anyone who chooses to be a winner. It boggles the mind that in spite of clear and obvious results, they continue to wallow in their self pity. Hank Reid lives on. Simpleton.

P.S.
The difference between Jeremiah Wright and Phil Graham is while Graham was immediately kicked to the curb; Wright was embraced and referred to as a ‘spiritual mentor’ who told God to damn America; “…not God bless America, no, no. God Damn America!...” That not only offended conservatives, it offended every American with an ounce of patriotism.

The United States is directly responsible for over one million Iraqi deaths since the invasion five and half years ago. In a January 2008 report, a British polling group Opinion Research Business (ORB) reports that, “survey work confirms our earlier estimate that over 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens have died as a result of the conflict which started in 2003…. We now estimate that the death toll between March 2003 and August 2007 is likely to have been of the order of 1,033,000. If one takes into account the margin of error associated with survey data of this nature then the estimated range is between 946,000 and 1,120,000”.

The ORB report comes on the heels of two earlier studies conducted by Johns Hopkins University published in the Lancet medical journal that confirmed the continuing numbers of mass deaths in Iraq. A study done by Dr. Les Roberts from January 1, 2002 to March 18 2003 put the civilian deaths at that time at over 100,000. A second study published in the Lancet in October 2006 documented over 650,000 civilian deaths in Iraq since the start of the US invasion. The 2006 study confirms that US aerial bombing in civilian neighborhoods caused over a third of these deaths and that over half the deaths are directly attributable to US forces.

The now estimated 1.2 million dead, as of July 2008, includes children, parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, cab drivers, clerics, schoolteachers, factory workers, policemen, poets, healthcare workers, day care providers, construction workers, babysitters, musicians, bakers, restaurant workers and many more. All manner of ordinary people in Iraq have died because the United States decided to invade their country. These are deaths in excess of the normal civilian death rate under the prior government.

The magnitude of these deaths is undeniable. The continuing occupation by US forces guarantees a mass death rate in excess of 10,000 people per month with half that number dying at the hands of US forces— a carnage so severe and so concentrated at to equate it with the most heinous mass killings in world history. This act has not gone unnoticed.

Recently, Dennis Kucinich introduced a single impeachment article against George W. Bush for lying to Congress and the American people about the reasons for invading Iraq. On July 15 The House forwarded the resolution to the Judiciary Committee with a 238 to 180 vote. That Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction and Iraq’s threat to the US is now beyond doubt. Former US federal prosecutor Elizabeth De La Vega documents the lies most thoroughly in her book U.S. Vs Bush, and numerous other researchers have verified Bush’s untrue statements.

The American people are faced with a serious moral dilemma. Murder and war crimes have been conducted in our name. We have allowed the war/occupation to continue in Iraq and offered ourselves little choice within the top two presidential candidates for immediate cessation of the mass killings. McCain would undoubtedly accept the deaths of another million Iraqi civilians in order to save face for America, and Obama’s 18-month timetable for withdrawal would likely result in another 250,000 civilian deaths or more.

We owe our children and ourselves a future without the shame of mass murder on our collective conscience. The only resolution of this dilemma is the immediate withdrawal of all US troops in Iraq and the prosecution and imprisonment of those responsible. Anything less creates a permanent original sin on the soul of the nation for that we will forever suffer.

Peter Phillips is a Professor of Sociology at Sonoma State University and director of Project Censored a media research group. He is the co-editor with Dennnis Loo of the book Impeach the President: The Case Against Bush and Cheney.

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Imagine a war that was fought without political correctness in mind. Our military is designed to be fast and incisive; however, because of the liberal left and those afraid of offending other nations, we were too slow; too careful, and the result was certainly amore colateral damage than was desirable. War is hell, and as such the last course of action.

An as a side note, Kucinich's head is so far up his ares, he needs a sheet of plexiglass inserted in his naval region to see out.

Liberalism is the politics of adolescents, and democrats are those who never grew up.

Hmm. Not sure and don't care what a democrat or republican stand for.
Incredibly - there are other points of view in this world, and in fact other people and countries that exist outside of the US.

'War is hell, and as such the lat course of action.'...
Iraq sure was. What is as sure a hell - Iraq is a dump full of sand and there is NO WAY that the US would have invaded - if it wasn't for the oil. There is no doubt the WMD story was fabricated.

But you stepped over the most important point. Over 1 million deaths... Over 1 million. I'd love to see what you would write if 1 million americans were killed tomorrow. In my mind, political correctness is that I don't trust the US having nuclear weapons. Why doesn't the US let inspectors in to check what they have?

Here is an example of US 'morality': Janet Jackson shows her boob in concert and the 'Christians' in the US hit the roof. The outcry is massive. 1 million Iraqi deaths and nobody bats an eyelid, quite apart from the fact that the US invaded another country illegally.

And thanks to the Bush administration, there haven’t been 1 million US deaths as well, but don’t for one second appreciate the relative security you enjoy.

"...There is no doubt the WMD story was fabricated..."

And the 55 metric tons of yellowcake Uranium was for making confections? Is it assumed that Uranium 238 grows on trees??? Please!

And ignore the 12 UN resolutions, continual 'No Fly Zone' Incursions, and attacks on US and coalition forces; Ignore the chemical attacks on the Kurds; Ignore the fact that Saddam Hussein admitted to deceiving even his own people to create an illusion of danger; Ignore the reactors and centrifuges that Israel destroyed; Ignore the fact that when access was requested to a suspected weapons site, the UN inspectors were summarily expelled. Yeah, a million deaths suck for any country, but frankly I am glad that it occurred in a country other than mine.

The politics of grown ups understand that frequently, difficult and devastating decisions have to be made in spite of the way one 'feels'. Thankfully, grown ups are in charge of our country… I’m not so susre about the future.

good points. Some of them. However - be carefull about believing all the lies you read.

But how many tones of uranium does the US have? I mean seriously - the US has been involved in far more wars in the world in the 19 century than Iraq ever was. I'm far more nervous of the US. I mean just imagine that new bloke takes over from Bushie - McCain... I heard him described as Bush on steroids. He's almost as dumb and he has a bad temper. Scary.

But hey - as you said - it's ok for you, because you live in the US. Makes me wonder what one earth I even try to write my points down...

I do believe that there could have been other possibilites...

Bush is not a mature grown up. He's a warmonger as is Cheyney. They are pushing this world closer to destruction faster than any other US president/vice president in history.

In fact, you have to wonder how on EARTH the US public voted hom in for a second term. However - when you realise that they DID, you also realise what you are dealing with. It's not just him, it's his henchmen and I guess the , (I have to say it) incredibly dumb public that they coerced...Also - I guess the far right in the US is much bigger than I imagined.

Sometimes - 'feeling' is real important. The US military went through a rebuilding phase after the crazy stupid Vietnam war. It learnt a lot because commander that had been in the field moved up the ranks and knew what war was like.

But hey-ho - now bush, cheyney and others have bumped you lot straight into another vietnam.
Guess what - both Bush and Cheyney are draft dodgers. Interesting.
The US will never win in Iraq - you do know that? Unless of course you nuke the place.

In the mean time you do have a million innocent people estimated dead in Iraq. The country is ruined. Hardly any running water or electricity. Anyway , who cares.


“…The country is ruined. Hardly any running water or electricity. Anyway , who cares…”

Really?
http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/accomplishments/electricity.html
In 2002 Baghdad had access to electricity on a near continuous basis while the rest of Iraq was limited to 3 to 6 hours daily. The U.S. government has made significant progress in improving electricity supply in Iraq and distributing it more equitably throughout the country. USAID recently completed its three-year, $2.3 billion Iraq Infrastructure Reconstruction Program. Through its overall program, USAID has added 1,292 megawatts of electric generating capacity to Iraq's power grid, serving over 7 million Iraqis.
(SHHH, that’s a Bush fabricated lie)


The water and Sewer and services are greatly improved in Iraq:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=46279

U.S. Military Engineers Improve Iraqi Water, Sewer Services
WASHINGTON, June 4, 2007 – U.S. military engineers have completed nearly 300 major water and sewage projects in Baghdad and across Iraq in the past few years, U.S. military officers reported.

“We’re proud that we’re continuing to reach our target of providing over 1 million cubic meters of potable water per day,” said Air Force Col. Lonny Baker, water sector director for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers’ Gulf Region Division in Iraq. Baker is nearing the end of a six-month tour in Iraq and spoke to the media during a Baghdad news conference June 2.

(SHHH, another Bush Fabricated Lie)

“…The US military went through a rebuilding phase after the crazy stupid Vietnam war…”

I could greatly expound on Vietnam, but will save that for another time. I will say however, that the US Military didn’t loose the Vietnam War; the United States lost it with political correctness:

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1965.html
February 2, 1968 - President Johnson labels the Tet Offensive "a complete failure."
For the North Vietnamese, the Tet Offensive is both a military and political failure in Vietnam. The "general uprising" they had hoped to ignite among South Vietnamese peasants against the Saigon government never materialized. Viet Cong had also come out of hiding to do most of the actual fighting, suffered devastating losses, and never regained their former strength. As a result, most of the fighting will be taken over by North Vietnamese regulars fighting a conventional war. Tet's only success, and an unexpected one, was in eroding grassroots support among Americans and in Congress for continuing the war indefinitely…”

Further, if you had a clue, you would know that a President very similar to Candidate Obama decimated the military after Vietnam. I served in the USN post Vietnam during the Carter Administration and the Reagan administration, and when Carter left office, our military was at its all time weakest state. It wasn’t until President Reagan, whose philosophies were similar to Bush, restored the military to a combat ready force.

Finally, based on your vocabulary and lack of understanding of US History, I’m guessing that you aren’t even an American, so I’ll stop defending my country against an outsider whose opinion really doesn’t matter to me. Go back to sleep, and let the US bail your ass out of trouble when YOUR country is attacked.

Ok - I read what you wrote and will answer ok?

We're closer than you think you know! I also served in the military. I also had to fight in a war.

'Further, if you had any clue'. I do know your presidents far better than you know mine. You see - we have been bombarded with US news all our lives in the rest of the world. Don't forget that - we probably know a heck of a lot more than most Americans about the US foreign policies and their affects.

Remember that having a huge military and huge support for the military in goverment (with former generals, etc, occupying high positions in military companies) can also become dangerous. It becomes a bit like a one sided argument. It's very important to maintain balance and good reason in all things. For instance - just eating McDonalds aint very good for you. You know, in order for the military companies to be successfull there needs to be wars and as a result requirements for new weapons and technology. The one feeds off the other. If there were no wars these companies would be in lean times. Currently, at least one of the bigger us military companies own a news corporation. To me that is definately a conflict of interest. Surely the news corporation might be influenzed in it's reporting to help the owner company?

It's scary that what you said The US population really is so insulated from the rest of the world and also does not really care either. The better ones education and experience, the more likely you are to make good decisions. Insular thinking never achieves much.

We've all seen the Vietnam war movies - although I am sure that you would distance yourself from them. Basically the US went to war there to free south vietnam from communism. At least that was what was stated. The US went home and communist north vietnam took over the south.
Everyone has seen the films and pictires of the last US helicopters taking off from the roof of the US embassy just before the north rolled. I won't hit out at your knowledge of history as you did mine - but prehaps the US should have taken note of the british and French attemps at 'taiming' vietnam before even entering the war.

And just on a personal note - I would love it if for once Hollywood made a Vietnam move with a north vietnamese hero. As far as I know millions died. To me they were the good guys fighting a foreign invading force. I'd also like to see a Hollywood movie where another country saves the world - instead of always the USA! Guess we'll have to wait for Bollywood to bring one out!

Without doubt, Iraq will be the same, unless you have successions of bush type presidents for the next 50 or so years. Bush was warned repeatedly by powell and others. They knew or feared that what has now infolded, would happen. Again - unless you nuke Iraq or stay forever, you will never force the people there into submission. They don't think the same as you guys - and why should they - surely they have that right?

Um - do you really think bush is ok? You don't think he sometimes lies through his teeth? There is so much proof in recorded video - surely you have seen them? There is just no way I could stand up for a guy like that. In my younger days the US always held the high ground morally. I was a US supporter. Since Bush the US's moral standing in the world is in tatters. I am just stating what I know - I am not having a go at you.

Well - I hope things work out for the Iraqi's but unfortunately I don't have much hope. The us will eventually leave and then there will be horrible civil wars. They will also have to cope, as they already are, with the massive increases in disease that has been caused by the two wars (91) and the hospitals just don't have the means to cope. The increase in cancer amoungst new borns has ballooned due to the radiation caused by the massive amount of uranium shells expended by the us. And they will probably have to pay for all this trouble by practically giving their oil to the US.

I also hope things work out for the US and that this neocon movement that is strangling the very constitution and freedom of the US is defeated by truth and morality and wisdom. The world needs it.



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